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  Who is the mediator for jehovahs witnesses?

  by atomant in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  lm getting conflicting advice.ls it the 144000 or jesus.l was always under the impression it was jesus.lf its the 144000 then when they pray the jw;s should be praying through the remnant not in jesus christs name but in the 144000;s name..

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  Half banana

  I would think that the average 21st century JW doesn't know what a mediator is and what use it would be to have one.
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  1975—Were You Affected By What 1975 Was Supposed to Bring?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  for years , we were told to wait until 1975!.

  the end was coming and we better be ready—or else!.

  were you around during this “momentous “ time??

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  It was an evening in August 1974, I was making a pine table (which I still use) and listening to the BBC while I worked. Who should be interviewed to defend the world's end in 1975? None other than our local bethelite David Sibrey. Anyone remember him? He talked of the flood as a divine pattern which he justified by childish garbage when his interlocutor questioned the historicity of such an event. I remember shaking my head even though I was a JW. Anyway, Sibrey a representative of official Watchtower thinking, was publicly a 'seventy fiver'.

  At our circuit assembly later on in the same year, circuit overseer Albert Broad declared from the podium that if Armageddon does not happen by 1975 "Then Jehovah's Witnesses will be the laughing stock of the world".

  They are--but they are non-entities, who cares about Jehovah's Witnesses?

  It was the feeble 'apology' -- "Well we've still got our friends haven't we?"-- for the 1975 debacle in the 1979 Watchtower which accelerated my scepticism. Like a fool I still remained in the org for another ten years until defending the JW world view became intolerable.
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  Who is the mediator for jehovahs witnesses?

  by atomant in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  lm getting conflicting advice.ls it the 144000 or jesus.l was always under the impression it was jesus.lf its the 144000 then when they pray the jw;s should be praying through the remnant not in jesus christs name but in the 144000;s name..

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  Half banana

  Biblical theology is a tar-pit, the ground looks level and there is food sitting there for the taking.
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  Great tribulation

  by dothemath in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  you've likely heard all this before, but i had to laugh (silently) at the public talk today.. he focused on how close we are to the end.

  we're not only in the last days, but we're in "the final part" of the last days.. also, we are nearing "the end of the final part of the last days".

  he didn't read any scriptures backing up how the last days are broken up like this.. i went today since relatives es were visiting, but it was more entertaining than usual.. as well, the gb isn't warning us about armageddon, rather they're mainly warning about the great tribulation, which is "very, very, close!

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  Half banana

  If I genuinely believed in an imminent cataclysmic event where the majority of mankind will be murdered, even as a witness I would be living on my nerves, in fear of dying. I don't see this in JWs, they only parrot the party line with a smug smile, "It's very very close". Methinks they don't really believe it, just the principle of it; we're right and everyone else is wrong so God must favour us.

  It must be very debilitating to suffer from a delusional disorder. The world pities and sometimes mocks the sufferer.

  There is however something worse-- to have eight million people, orchestrated through propaganda and mind control, to suffer from the same delusion. The only reason JW paranoia has the slightest credibility is because of the number of witnesses already believing it.

  For JWs it's an irrational way of life based on Biblical hype and the promise of winning the jackpot but in reality with no prospect of any reward and a complete waste of one's life.

  The real beneficiaries from keeping the delusion going are those who run the scam, the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses.
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  Who is the mediator for jehovahs witnesses?

  by atomant in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  lm getting conflicting advice.ls it the 144000 or jesus.l was always under the impression it was jesus.lf its the 144000 then when they pray the jw;s should be praying through the remnant not in jesus christs name but in the 144000;s name..

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  Half banana

  No serious researcher today uses the Bible as an authority.

  The very reliance on the Iron Age writings incorporated into the Bible indicates an attitude of unquestioning submission. Here is where the fundamental fault lies in giving proper meaning to ancient texts. They were written by the powerful to control the dumb at a time when written language was itself an evidence of authority. Those who believe the Bible are the dumb and fearful who listen in awe to the religious mediators of the day.

  Who needs a mediator? No one unless you're trying to settle a dispute.

  "Spirit anointed Christian"? A modern post-Watchtower fiction!

  The premise that man is sinful is a catchy religious fallacy which has allowed the priests, clergy and cult leaders to flourish financially and therefore wield power like they did in the first century and continue doing so today. There is no such thing as the "144,000 anointed" it is a myth courtesy of the Watchtower cult.

  For our own sanity and progress in the world, we must ignore JW teachings and their irrelevant demands and get a proper life based on things which have evidence for their existence not this worthless Watchtower hocus pocus.
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  I Saw An Elder Yesterday Who Told Me 3 Area Kingdom Halls Were Being Dissolved

  by minimus in

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  2. friends

  he said they read the letter to the congregation and were told the kh would be disbanded.

  2 other halls in the area were slated for closure.

  he said many people in the congregation began crying.

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  It must be tough for the governing body (poor things) to have to keep coming up with a positive spin on the decline of membership. "Jerhoover is speeding up the work"--no he downright isn't, that is a lie. People are not interested in joining the cult and Jehovah is not the slightest bit interested in the JW organisation as we can tell from the failure of their prophecies and the closure of kingdom halls.

  Even the true believers will soon start to get the vibes: the JW religion is going down the tubes.
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  It baffles me why they would even say this

  by Tameria2001 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  back in 2001, i left the jws rather abruptly.

  i had discovered things about the watchtower that really made me quite angry, angry because i had been lied to, and it took me just to darn long to figure it out.

  before i had left, my husband and i wrote 3 letters, one to the elders at our congregation, and two to our parents.

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  Half banana

  To me it confirms that accepting the Watchtower belief system is all about getting a psychological fix.

  To believe gives hope, to see others believing the same things reinforces that hope whether it's true or not. Joining the JW religion gives you like minded friends, a safe community. Lastly it gives you an identity, you know who you are and where you stand in your group and where you stand in relation to the rest of the world-- alienated, as it happens.

  The fact that the JW religion historically has proven to be false does not mean that its aura of divine promise isn't a help for some people at a private and emotional level. Especially for those with limited education or experience of how the world works.
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  Can someone help me figure out something, dealing with paganism?

  by Tameria2001 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the watchtower and quite a few other religious groups don't do certain things because of pagan origins.

  they go on about the different holidays, certain traditions, and say they don't do those things because of pagan origins.

  yet they turn right around and do other stuff, which does have pagan origins.

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  Half banana

  The Jews of course were only the people of their own declared god YHWH, who in turn was borrowed from the Phoenecian pantheon of gods, YHWH being a son of the God El. So the Jews chose their own god to represent them and then claimed themselves to be "his people", or "God's chosen people", just like JWs do today.

  There is of course no evidence for YHWH choosing anyone or ever having spoken or done anything at all-- but this is the very nature of religious belief.

  So what is "pagan"? The word pagan originally referred to things from the countryside, and simply meant of the village, the word in Latin for village was pagus. Likewise the word heathen meant a dweller on the heath. In other words; relating to rustic life as opposed to educated civilisation found in cities. Fourth century Roman Christianity (when the Bible was compiled) saw itself as a civilised, sophisticated and urban (hence urbane) religion and wanted no demeaning connection with the peasantry.

  The irony though is that the underpinning of Bible stories are indeed folk tales i.e. pagan, often based on almost universal mythologies drawn from very ancient fables about the sun, stars and constellations.
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  Congratulations to the W. T.

  by joey jojo in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i think congratulations are long overdue to the wt for the excellent job they do of keeping members dumbed-down and feeling safe inside the cocoon of a hive mind.

  they tell us that the best education program in the world is reading the wt publications but here is a conversation i had with my uber elder buddy yesterday that may prove otherwise.

  we were talking about the october broadcast and the question of whether gods name should be included or not, when i made an offhand comment about the compiling of the new testament and the canonisation of its books.

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  Half banana

  I agree with you Stuck, I have encountered this pride in JWs several times recently. Proud to be a believer whatever evidence there is to the contrary-- proud to be a JW--proud to be ignorant!

  If your self worth depends on a validation by JWs then that's where you will likely remain, sealed in a bubble and interpreting everything you hear and read in the light of your cherished delusion.
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  Serious Issue ....... that MUST be Addressed !!!!!

  by Simon in

  1. forum
  2. announcements

  this is such an important issue, more and more people are succumbing to what must be some viral outbreak wreaking havoc in the world.. i'm talking about unnecessary punctuation.. it's easy to become infected.

  you want to write something and add some emphasis so you add an exclamation mark to make it "important!

  " but dang, it's not important enough is it??

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  Half banana

  Girl next door, since you mentioned one of my favourite poets Emily Dickinson; Wendy Cope an English poet and academic gives a response to her unconventional punctuation:

  Higgledy-piggledy
  Emily Dickinson
  Liked to use dashes
  Instead of full stops.

  Nowadays, faced with such
  Idiosyncrasy,
  Critics and editors
  Send for the cops.

  ~Emily Dickinson by Wendy Cope